It’s time to leave Afghanistan (via Jb’s Sanctuary)

It’s time to leave Afghanistan. In fact it’s time to leave most of the Middle-East. We tried folks. We tried to help them. We tried to free them. But the plane facts are they aren’t ready for freedom. They aren’t worth our lives and money. We won the war in 2002 when we removed the Taliban and killed most of Al-Qaida. Small amounts of Special Operations Forces could have been left in strategic locations to periodically take out AQ as they popped up. Afghanistan could have been allowed to succeed or fail on their own. An individual concept we’ve forgotten here in the US also.

It’s time to leave. The modern narrative is that no one has been able to conquer Afghanistan. I say BS. Alexander took it, and the British took it three times. The fact is there wasn’t any reason to keep it. It wasn’t worth the blood. The people aren’t worth it. It may have once been a crossroads from east to west but that time has long since passed. It is a modern wasteland. It is a waste in resources, a waste in time and a waste of people. Fear not friends these types of cultures won’t win. They are fighting themselves as much as anyone else. It is the west that continues to allow them to live. Lets pull the life support.

via Jb’s Sanctuary. Read the whole thing. Don’t skip the comments.

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4 responses to “It’s time to leave Afghanistan (via Jb’s Sanctuary)

  1. Great article!!
    I totally struggle with the concept that “They aren’t worth our lives and money” but I really do understand what he’s saying. It’s just hard to think that about another human being. It sort of feels like quitting. But he’s dead on accurate that our dear leader (and the ones recently before him) are not willing to risk their political lives to do what it takes. Which makes it a losing game for our soldiers. When you have family in the military, it becomes a little more clear that we either need to be in it to win – and win DECISIVELY – or get the heck out and mind our own business.

  2. Grimmy

    It is said of the British military that went into Afghanistan back in the day that the measure of value of an officer was centered on his ability to conduct himself at dances and socials rather than is abilities on the battlefield.

    It is currently true of our military that the measure of an officer is more about his/her ability in a college classroom than his/her ability on the battlefield.

    This is something that will take at least another decade of warfighting to correct.

    War is the business of hard nosed cynics. War requires a hardened heart and mind.

    Both the battlefronts in Iraq and Afghanistan have had a real value that no one wishes to acknowledge. The jihadiscum that were, and continue to be, drawn into those killing fields were originally scheduled to flow into the safe zones established in Europe and, eventually, the US of A. Our forces, whether on purpose or on accident, interrupted that plan. To leave now allows that plan to be put back into place.

    Prior to the make believe theory crafting that dominated our military “thinking” during the long peace and post Vietnam guilt phase, we knew what worked and what didn’t.

    We have examples from still living memory of what works and what didn’t.
    As happened in both Japan and Germany, when faced with an implacable and hostile ideology, that ideology must be ripped out by the roots and replaced. That works.

    Playing the “respect” game with such ideologies does not work. It can not work.

    We’re at least a decade away of admitting that to ourselves at the institutional level.

    Unfortunately, we do not have the luxury of simply quitting the field in a snit and going home. The results will be disastrous on every level.

    Yes, changes need to be made. Yes, our warfighters on the front lines, rather than the head sheds, need to be given more flex in how they address localized issues. But, we’re not at a place yet where the costs of the kinder gentler gendernormed multicultisms can be cut out like the cancer they are and were purposely designed to be.

    Yes, good and worthy men, and occasionally women, will be killed or maimed for no real gain in the meantime. Unfortunately, that is a requirement in order to finally shed the deadwood, both manpower and and philosophically wise that has glomed onto our national mindset and military at the institutional level over the last 3 decades.

    In the meantime, as mean a time as it is, our soldiers are putting the lies and self delusions to the test. This is laying the groundwork for the sea change to come. And they’re killing jihadiscum.

    The jihadiscum will need to be closed with, engaged and destroyed when and where possible. At this time Afghanistan is the place where that is possible.

  3. Hey Grimmy – GREAT to see ya! :)

    Grimmy – you said:

    Both the battlefronts in Iraq and Afghanistan have had a real value that no one wishes to acknowledge. The jihadiscum that were, and continue to be, drawn into those killing fields were originally scheduled to flow into the safe zones established in Europe and, eventually, the US of A. Our forces, whether on purpose or on accident, interrupted that plan. To leave now allows that plan to be put back into place.

    You are correct in that, for sure – and that’s something left out of the linked article.

    I guess my biggest hangup is that we are committing our men (and women) to a battle that we are not willing to win at the quickest moment possible, by whatever means necessary. If we are not willing to do that, then we shouldn’t go.

    That said, I am not in the military and I know there are things done in battle that I have no idea about. For that reason, I regard comments from those who know what they’re talking about as more valuable than my own.

  4. Grimmy

    StarCMC:

    Common sense can work out most of what is needed and you’ve got plenty much there.

    As to the “battle that can’t be won”, I don’t really see it as that. Our forces are there killing jihadiscum, gaining huge dividends in experience, testing the bizaro theory crafted stuff of peace time thinking that just isn’t making the cut (unfortunately, such things always have to be tested out in the furnace, otherwise it’s just more pointless theory crafting) ect and so on.

    As this generation continues to grow into this long war, we’ll shed the old guard. Then some reality can start to intrude itself into the theories that get crafted, based on actual recent real world experience.

    Something else to keep in mind. The cries to get out of Iraq got loudest just as progress was really being made.

    The Marines that went in as the recent “surge” into Afghanistan have made huge gains. Not all the territory will be kept, and not everything is straight forward progress, but the Talib and all its mercenaries have been hammered hard where ever the scumbags tried to stand their ground, even in well prepared defensive positions with large numbers of jihadiscum fighters.

    Also remember. The surge in Iraq did not happen in a vacuum. It was our warfighters that hammered the hell out of the 1920’s Revolutionary Brigade (the actual primary “insurgency” in Iraq). Where ever the 1920’s tried to make an attack, they got slaughtered. Where ever they tried to make a stand, they got slaughtered. Where ever they tried to go to ground and hide, they got dug out and slaughtered. It got so bad for them that their leadership finally approached the USMC command in the Al Anbar AO and asked to switch sides. They then took the fight to the AQI. This was also the signal to the leaders in that AO that it was ok to start the Sunni Awakening. Then the surge got launched.

    First, the enemy has to be run to ground and slaughtered. Repeatedly. And then some more. And more until they just get tired of dieing for no gain what so ever. Then good things can start to happen.

    This is currently in progress.